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Ed

Totally agreed and as you can see here http://www.1smartsolution.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/7/30/ColdFusion-8-price-madness there are many people thinking same way.

Adam Reynolds

As I am mentioning elsewhere http://www.smithproject.org/

An open source free CFML engine. Go have a look. You may find it does 99% of what you want.

The limiting factor on the above is I believe that the threading is limited to one at a time.

Of note and I don't know if this is deliberate, have you noticed the http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/xml/rss.cfm?query=byMostRecent&languages=1 feed has stopped reporting posts from people who are discussing the CF price?

David

Ed,
"limited" does not refer to functionality, but volume of users using those features. From what I've read, if you need to surpass 100-150 concurrent users accessing these features on your site before you see performance issues.

Cheers,

Davo

Ed

David,
i don't know yet about other features, but for cfthreads there is said "CFTHREAD is limited to two additional spawned threads in Standard Edition", so it refer to functionality for sure :) and something tells me not only cfthreads are done this way.

David

Ed,
That's two additional spawned threads, at one timed. I'm not saying that there aren't limitations - but the way people are going on about this, the standard version might as well be FrontPage.

Cheers,

David

Jason Delmore

I think you're taking the feature editioning the wrong way... all of the features work in Standard without any limitation to the functionality other than the number of threads allowed. You should look at the full edition matrix here http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/pdfs/cf8_featurecomp.pdf. There are tons of great new features in 8 and they can all be used from Standard.

Hope that helps,
Jason

Michael Long

Jason: Good to know that the CF Product Manager drops by from time-to-time, but I'm afraid the matrix you suggested doesn't help your case. Restricting access of many of those services to a single thread limits their functionality and usefulness. I may want to use PDF generation, for example, but knowing only one user at a time can block all other similar requests... well, now I have a choice to make, don't I?

bob

I love Cf and am a CF developer since v1.5. I have never bought Enterprise because it has always been too expensive for my needs and now it is even more out of our reach. I would like to have the funtionality of Enterprise but the hefty price is a serious show stopper. I suspect Abode will get smart on this and come up with a more pragmatic pricing scheme. Please!

Jeffrey V. Lemire

We're a small hosting company and have been using CF since 2.0. We too have never moved to Enterprise becuase of cost.

I've never been to college and have learned everything by sheer will. At the time, ColdFusion was very easy to learn and enjoyed the "grass roots" environment that PHP and Ruby now commands. Even though CF wasn't free, it was affordable and I was able to implement it.

I then taught 3 other individuals how to use it (they now use PHP and .NET).

I truly love CF and am a strong advocate of its capabilities and my kudos go out to those who have designed it. It's sad that the bean counters seem to have lost the fact that they need to put CF in the hands of as may programmers as they possibly can. This is what will give CF the momentum it needs to survive in this competitive environment.

Gus Denton

I am a long term CF coder and I too feel Adobe is going for the Jugular. It's fine when I have customers who have big budgets and I can organise a good commercial CF hosting company.. However the smaller requests I get by sole trader types who want a couple of pages means I cannot use CF because hosting packages are SO expensive in comparison to PHP or .NET.. For some reason (Probably Licence costs) CF gets provided now as "Premium" hosting product, this mentality might just kill it in the foreseeable future

Francis

Dropping Oracle driver support is the killer for us. A third-party Oracle JDBC driver is available for about $1000, which is a 50% overhead on the $2000 price for CF8 Standard. Thanks for the great attitude to your long-time government customers, Adobe. We'll remember this when choosing technologies for future systems. In a climate of tight government budgets, you have excluded ColdFusion as an option with one stroke.

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